I've had a quick play with the download from code.google.com. I pulled in the JSTL and standard.jar files from WEB-INF (I presume these are standard JSP tag library implementations that get wheeled in from whatever web container is used) and there's still a bunch of stuff missing - the Ant API and what looks like some bits of data access layer (oh - hello - this is Java 6 stuff! My Mac is still Java 5 by default). Anyway: I'm sure this is all pretty fixable, but it sounds as if we're converging on the idea of going back to uttoxeter as a stable milestone and then presumably re-applying Paulo's modifications. (I tried pulling the original from snipsnap.org a long time ago, but as Axel says the links are broken.) I also noticed that radeox.org has died. I'm happy with it being kept as a separate project, as long as it doesn't go stiff. Regarding Maven: I don't know enough about it to really comment, although it would presumably help with maintaining the repository of third-party libraries (including, perhaps, Radeox.) I'm much more experienced with Ant. -- Nick. PS: should we take this to the code.google.com mailing list?